Amanda Todd’s BlogTV chat

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Although these have been already published earlier in the blog, the names were redacted for certain reasons, so here are all the names in full. For newcomers who might be blissfully unaware, cutiielover is Amanda Todd.

BlogTV Conversation Log. Server Date: 12/5/2010 8:32:15 PM, Client Date: Sun Dec 5 19:26:25 GMT-0600 2010, Room: cutiielover Live, Checksum: 1314457

Welcome to blogTV’s chat:
– No nudity / sex / copyrighted materials
– NEW chat commands: /[COMMAND] [USERNAME] /KICK /BAN /OP /SEARCH /UNBAN /DEOP
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Have fun!
pkyboy1: sexy
cutiielover: im not like that anymore.
boxfrog: sigh
crazeboy123: what were u like
cutiielover: a slut
crazeboy123: oh
spitoswallow:
kontiky: lol… i kinda like sluts
crazeboy123: wwhat made u change may I ask
kontiky: idk why
You have entered the cutiielover Live
show by cutiielover. cutiielover(14) is from Canada .Dundundunlol: she is a slut she still is 1
cutiielover: all my friends found my pic
spitoswallow: REGLION MADE HER CHANGE
Dundundunlol: she bated on cam to ppl
cutiielover: and sent my boobs out to everyone in my city.
Dundundunlol: other nite
kontiky: maybe because im a guy…
Dundundunlol: slut
ZapsThosePests: Hey Cutie, whats up?
crazeboy123: oh daaamn
Dundundunlol: still a slut
jakethai: are they still ur friend
cutiielover: no
jake9898: just because u like sex or mess around doesnt make u a slut… but yea… just gotta be careful who u trust
cutiielover: iim moving out of the counrty now.
jake9898: come to america!!!
kontiky: lol…no
crazeboy123: well you are super hot

BlogTV Conversation Log. Server Date: 12/18/2010 2:50:59 AM, Client Date: Sat Dec 18 01:44:58 GMT-0600 2010, Room: cutiielover Live, Checksum: 2209434

XoXLo0znMyFawknMindXoX: tell
jason1996c: nope
RyanJanns: no u arent flat
MrPickleHead: we have the hottest girls here in canada
youneek: you are smexy, be serious?
abstractingthereal: flat? i don’t think so
steve16ca: TINY SUCKS NOW
milksnake: that looks nice 😉
vspec: can’t tell with shirt on
vyruz: nice boobs
AmuroLite: by the time you hit 300, you’ll have a waiting room. usually being a tease helps though.
steve16ca: USTREAM IS BETTER
xxFxxAxxQxxUxx: so lets see something real sexy<<<<<
jason1996c: what size bra do u wear
SkylerX: with that shirt its hard to tell but i don’t think falt
XoXLo0znMyFawknMindXoX: 32b?
SkylerX: flat*
Carp3tMunch3r: put on something really esxay and tease us please
ZapsThosePests: next to the disk symbol is a another sysmbol you can use to switch rooms
cum-again:
XoXLo0znMyFawknMindXoX: i was close
XoXLo0znMyFawknMindXoX: lol
SkylerX: C is nice
XoXLo0znMyFawknMindXoX: -blames it on the dark shirt
jason1996c: C is perfect
abstractingthereal: 31g
steve16ca: only ops can switch rooms?
leftrightleft: i remember you coming in and just telling people to make you a tiny xD
youneek: 32 C is not small at all
jason1996c: nice
SkylerX: they match your undies
Carp3tMunch3r: lol
abstractingthereal: out of focus
scarlet_soul: can we see spome more of your cut eunderwear?
Carp3tMunch3r: shirt with no bra under?
cum-again: NEED OVER 150 CHATTERS 2 GET A WAITN ROOM
scarlet_soul: *cute
Carp3tMunch3r: thats wuld be hot too
SkylerX: 11 more for waiting room
ZapsThosePests: 12 more then a waiting rom
cum-again: YA
RyanJanns: yeah
Redirtroad: yea
milksnake: sure
ZapsThosePests: ALWAYS
milksnake: 😀
scarlet_soul: yea
SkylerX: k, give us the link
KevinG95:
steve16ca: what will she do???
jason1996c: ok
MrPickleHead: hell yeah
miomio77:
abstractingthereal: haha
youneek: then you wiil get a waiting room for sure
Shocked: yes!
abstractingthereal: www.
ZapsThosePests: but I am already subscribed
XoXLo0znMyFawknMindXoX: ^^ put it in your title
cutiielover: http://www.youtube.com/isabella100555

BlogTV Conversation Log. Server Date: 12/18/2010 3:06:54 AM, Client Date: Sat Dec 18 02:00:46 GMT-0600 2010, Room: cutiielover Live, Checksum: 2336076

cristian007: mod in the room
cum-again: FLAGGED 4 PILLOW
cum-again: LOL
cum-again:
savine2:
scarlet_soul: we should check your hot ass :p
cum-again:
leftrightleft: are you going to show again when he/she gets on?
XoXLo0znMyFawknMindXoX: how is 151 chatters possible i thought it was 150 max
jesse95: means mod is in the room
cum-again: MOD
Carp3tMunch3r: u could pull down the front of your PJs as far down as you dare JUST done show any bush
KevinG95: she is shaved
youneek: whenever it’s 149, or 150, a “hidden” mod is in the room
youneek: 151*
Carp3tMunch3r: o my mistake, im used to working with carpet
XoXLo0znMyFawknMindXoX: how bout 151 tho
AmuroLite: prove it!
SkylerX: yeah blogtv mods are nazis
cum-again: IVE SEEN 152
leftrightleft: prove shaved
cristian007: show you shaved
Carp3tMunch3r: how far down can u pull your PJs???
ZapsThosePests: 151 or more confuses me
greentree2: blocked
KevinG95: would you pull down as far as you dare ?
Smiling_Buddha: 151 is possible wen an op or the b-caster goes into waiting room and returns
youneek: yah, 152 is two mods in room
cum-again: DON GET BANNED
youneek: you’re not shaved
leftrightleft: she has a bush
vyruz: show
drake4ever: need to rub and put mic next to hear
krazy_monkey: lower the cam a bit
AmuroLite: prove it, prove it.
scarlet_soul: there’s an ausi girl stripping on another channel lol
Carp3tMunch3r: 153 means all the mods r there cuz its superfriggin HOT
badboy-15: shes just sitting there
scarlet_soul: no mods
cum-again: DONT SHOW ANYTHING
realbadboy: lets go to tinychat
cum-again:
drake4ever: no noise means shaved
jesse95: link?
SkylerX: i have a room you can use don’t get banned
scarlet_soul: they got 600 viewers
ZapsThosePests: let the stripper get banned
jesse95: dont you love it when guys say there’s a girl strippin and they dont link the f’n room
XoXLo0znMyFawknMindXoX: he had a boner
jakeskater: who?
XoXLo0znMyFawknMindXoX: lol
cristian007: show your shaved?????
youneek: not linking room is smart
youneek: more viewers = more chance of ban
badboy-15: ur going to make me blush aren’t u
cum-again: WHO GOT 600? LINK
scarlet_soul: that other girl has awesome tits :p
ZapsThosePests: haha, the one you told us about!!!
Carp3tMunch3r: i had a boner earlier
XoXLo0znMyFawknMindXoX: hayy dont be ashamed… it happens
Recognise any of the names? I’m told that cum-again is our old friend r0ra who keeps commenting nonsense on the blog, and ZapsThosePests is featured in the Daily Capper news.
But as if that’s not enough, some other kind person has supplied information regarding Dylan Polo (who is meant to be Aydin Coban and is found on Facebook as Dylan.Polo.98).
*His Name Is Polo, Also Known As Dylan Mess
*Said He Lives In Europe, In The Netherlands
*His Old Skype Was Intothedylan, And Another One Is Dylanmess1
*His Original Site Was Tinychat.com/Alphakennybuddy, And It Appears That He Reused That Name For One Of The Rooms On His New Site
*His Dad Owns Some Kind Of Hotel Company, So He’s Filthy Rich
*Has Been Said To Use 2 VPNS, And Uses Proxies
*The Site Name Starts With An O, Q, A Or C, Then It’s 4 Letters And Most Likely Ends With Chat
*It’s Europe Based And He Advertises On Some European Social Network Like FB
*He Uses Flashcoms Software For The Chat And Cams
*Has 500-700 People Spread Over Several Rooms At It’s Peak
*Users Can Make Their Own Rooms
*The Site Is Purple Green And White All Over
*There Have Been A Few Threads On 4chan’s /Soc/ And http://www.anonib.com About It With People Trying To Find The Site.
*He Most Likely Made It In November Of 2012
*These Are Screenshots Of The Site http://imgur.com/a/QnVJm

*If You Search “Polo” On http://www.anonib.com/ That Is Where I Found Most Of The Info.

Amanda Todd – One step closer to the truth.

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Sorry about the jpg. Just click on it.

As soon as one thing seems to get resolved, something else crops up that turns a lot of the story upside down again. There is a lot of grief in this – not just for the main participants, but for those other, more innocent victims of the witch hunts, the hatred, the suspicions. And for all those people from all across the world, all those genuine people, all those kids who have cried about this, it’s a terrible shame.

We have – and it saddens me to say this – been severely tricked.  I thought that  I would be jumping for joy as I learned that more and more of what I was saying was coming true, but instead I’m simply becoming more disheartened.

The details I have posted today are true. I will seek to evaluate them as clinically and as precisely as I possibly can. At first, I was just tempted to post the screen cap and leave it up to readers to make up their own minds. But, as usual, I will try to analyse what is behind all of this.

As you will see, the capture is from December 5th, 2010. That’s ten days after ‘cutieelover’ aka Amanda Todd joined BlogTV. What she did, or where she was prior to that, I don’t know at the moment. This is eighteen days before the police arrived on her doorstep on December 23rd.

Note that the BlogTV rules are absolutely clear. I have criticised BlogTV (now YouNow) for allowing things, but to give them credit, they were quite clear about the rules, and very quick to ban people who broke them. There is no real excuse for not knowing that nudity was frowned upon. As we know, cutiielover was banned twelve days later.

Amanda is quite well-known. It is possible that, from the commencement of her membership of BlogTV on November 26th, she could have received quite a following – reputations grow fast online.

Note: this may not be the full online conversation for December 5th. I originally thought that this might be the beginning of it all, but it is possible that there were earlier comments.

The first comment available is a cordial ‘sexy’. The second comment from cutieelover is – well, what? – poignant? Could that be the word? I don’t know. Or it could just be straightforward. Who can tell?

‘im not like that anymore’

What can anyone read into this? It sounds quite forlorn, like she’s realised something, and has decided to stop. On it’s own, it sounds like it’s a finality, but, sadly, we know that just a few days later she was flashing again, and that this behaviour continued on for quite some time. Can we deduce any period of time from this? Like I said – and I hope – her reputation might have simply grown in the previous two weeks, but I retain a slight idea that these are the words of someone who has been quite known for some time. But that is irrelevant, really.

It looks like one of her fans issues a ‘sigh’ of disappointment. Or of shared sadness?

I guess that the next comment is from someone new to the room: ‘what were u like’.  The answer is horrible.

‘a slut’

What in God’s name would make a girl say this? Here are some attempts to explain, but first let me say that it is significant and important. It points strongly towards why so many people used the word ‘slut’ to describe her – it’s the term she has applied to herself. It is actually Amanda herself who first uses the term to describe her own behaviour. People would have read these comments, and no doubt her friends would have heard her say it.

There are two reasons why she should have said this. The first is quite a cold-hearted suggestion; the second is gut-wrenchingly sad. I would prefer to choose the first. It kills me more to choose the second.

The first reason: Amanda is relatively proud of being seen as a slut. It’s a sort of show-off, attention-seeking phrase – ‘Look at me! I’m a slut! I’m not a mundane nobody, I’m someone who boys queue up to see! I’m the centre of attention, and that makes me feel important!’

Look at the news. We live in a society where sluttish behaviour makes you rich and famous. You know the names, I have no need to make a list. Reality TV praises the slut, denigrates the nice people. Look at the magazines aimed at later teens, read by 12-year-olds. In the UK, it’s ‘Nuts’ and ‘Zoo’. And those idiotic cretins who invented ‘slut walks’ – be proud that you look like a slut! Have they ANY idea what they are doing? (OK, reader, I’ll get down off my soap box)

Like so many words these days, slut has lost its meaning. It’s tossed around school playgrounds as easily as the old words like ‘fatty’ and ‘foureyes’. There is a distinct possibility that Amanda uses the term ‘slut’ as a badge of distinction.

The second reason: (this is appallingly sad) Amanda might have had such low self-esteem that she had become used to calling herself a slut. Why she would do this, I don’t know. From family background, I would guess the origin lay elsewhere. There are plenty of vile parents who will destroy their kids’ self-worth, but I don’t see that here. If anything, it might have been the opposite from her parents – they might have built her ego up to massive  proportions.

So why would she tag herself a slut? Did she go online, get naked, expect to get praise but get called a slut? Did she find that the only way to get the BlogTV viewers interested was to behave like a slut? It is extraordinary how dependent kids are on online feedback, and we know that Amanda was addicted to it.

Another, less probable but viable view is this: we know that Amanda possibly suffered from learning difficulties. She may well have had a huge sense that she was, in some way, a disappointment and failure. She had tried desperately to publicise herself online and elsewhere – singing, cheerleading – but it looks like the only thing she, as a person, felt that she truly excelled at, and that got her the attention, was to be a slut.

I must move on. The newbie answers a plaintive and shocked ‘oh’. Someone posts a picture.

‘lol….i kinda like sluts’ – seen as positive feedback?

The newbie asks her what made her change her mind.

‘idk why’ is Kon*** basically answering his own statement two lines above.

Another person enters the room.

Dun*** writes: ‘she is a slut she still is 1’. How is that meant? How is that taken? A joke? An insult? Horrifyingly aggressive male words? Or teen nonsense?

And then we have it:

‘all my friends found my pic’

Not ‘I’ve been stalked’. Not ‘I’ve been blackmailed’. All her friends found her pic. To me, this proves that the blackmail case is now closed. She said this to cover herself. There WAS a lot of stuff going on a la Peyton Ramsey, and it’s all very convoluted. But you can strike ‘blackmail’ and ‘stalker’ from the notebook for now.

I will leave it there for now. Tomorrow, there will be more about what really happened. It might take me time.

So – return to this blog – same Philip time, same Philip channel (that’s old skool Batman, just in case no-one knew).

 

 

 

 

 

Amanda’s last appearance as cutiielover

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Today’s post is the one which has caused me most problems, and the most consternation. Will it cause major trouble, or will it just become yet another piece of Amanda Todd flotsam, floating on the sea of information surrounding the case? Does anyone really care any more?

I have to stop thinking and just get on with it. I had no idea how to approach this. For me, it is quite a key moment, as this photo initiates, probably, a much deeper investigation. As regular readers know, I have, at times, been lost in the forest – wandering off along cul-de-sacs, getting lost, turning back along paths I’ve already trodden more than once. But occasionally I have come upon glades of clarity – certain information shining light on many of the problems.

An honest and trustworthy source sent me this photo, and I will explain what it shows, just in case anyone wonders.

This is the last appearance of Amanda Todd as cutiielover. At almost exactly the same time as Amanda flashed, she was reported, hence the ‘Inappropriate content’ box in the middle. However, those of you following the story will know that Amanda went to great lengths to return as ‘Announcing Amanda’ very soon afterwards.

Note that she had 191 viewers at the time. This is significant. In Amanda’s video, we are led to believe that the ‘photo’ was perhaps the result of quite an intimate one-to-one webcam chat with a trusted friend. This, of course, shows that to be completely untrue. Amanda was aware that she had 191 viewers – it would have been obvious to her, as she would have seen this exact same screen in front of her. So, to a certain extent, it could have been any one of these 191 viewers who passed her video clip to a porn site. Or it could have been any other person on the planet – this video clip could have been sent around from 191 viewers, through various chatroom sites, to phones and laptops everywhere, before ending up where it did. Remember – Amanda was seen as a celebrity in the Capper world.

However, it is likely that the person who spread the video around was in the room at the time. You will see that names have been covered up. It is highly likely that those names are known. There is even a chance that those names might actually see this and know that they have been found out. The names have been blacked out for the time being, and I am not telling you who they are. However, I think I can safely tell you that Kody Maxson is nowhere near this – if people persist in believing that drivel, then so be it, but it is totally wrong. The story that Kody Maxson coerced/enticed/flattered Amanda into flashing is THE most ridiculous part of this case. It has let a lot of people off the hook. At a later point in the blog, I will investigate this further.

You will also see a few comments – like ‘JUST DO IT’. We can imagine the scene. Amanda has appeared. She is well-known and, as far as we know, relatively new to the BlogTV set up. Already, 191 viewers have crowded into the room. Some of them will be heros, some of them blackmailers, some of them will simply be there for the fun of it. Amanda flirts with her audience. Now, at the moment, I have to state things that are mostly rumour for the time being.

It is rumoured that this Amanda appearance was a two-way thing, in that she played to the audience, and was fully aware of the game she was playing. But, without concrete evidence of that, I will only continue with a kinder version.

So – Amanda is in a room with 191 viewers, most of them being a mixture of stupid kids, rabid Cappers, maybe a few perverts. They egg her on – ‘JUST DO IT’ and so on. And she does it. People have seen the entire scene at cameracaptures. She laughs. It’s just a game.

Surely, people can see that this is light years away from the story we are meant to believe. The media would have you think that, at minimum, everything was the equivalent of a one-off Snapchat type of sexting photo. It was what Amanda wanted us to believe. The media does allow a certain leeway. Somewhere in the middle ground, the media would like it to be a story of one small video, maybe one or two, that were created by a naive, innocent young girl who was tricked, cajoled, coerced by some Devil figure. And, of course, a few of the online news breakers have actually shown more details about Amanda’s BlogTV escapades and more, but the general public doesn’t really want to think about all that.

But what this shows is that, on December 17th 2010, Amanda was a willing participant in what was, essentially, an online piece of tomfoolery. I won’t go on too much here, but later in the blog I will describe what I believe actually happened around this time in more detail.

Now look at more detail in the photo. Amanda clearly admits to being 14. I have to admit to being wrong in the past. I had assumed that Amanda might have lied about her age, as she did in so many other places, but here it is clear that she didn’t. That, obviously, means that people should have been aware that she was a minor, and morality should have dictated that people responded accordingly. Some people – in fact, a lot of people – did, hence the reporting and the ban from BlogTV. But for the rest, remember that the BlogTV situation is feral. There is no concept of decency for them.

But here we enter into a dichotomy. At one extreme, the authorities and fervent – how shall I put it? – uninformed people have cried ‘child pornography’. Yet within the melee of nonsense surrounding the case, more people have stated that flashing is, really, an innocent pastime undertaken by naive young girls. So what do we believe here?

Here’s how I put it. The vast majority of people think that child pornography is just that – a level of sexual content in pictures involving children that can be seen as disturbing and evil. It conjures up all our worst nightmares. But flashing is seen just as a harmless activity which, in 99% of cases, it is. The thousands of kids swapping flashing pictures don’t see it as child pornography. It’s become almost a part of growing up. Of Amanda’s audience, many would have seen all of this as just a laugh, all part of the game. The fact that Amanda was 14 was irrelevant – some of the spectators would have been in the same age group. Only a few would have seen the dangers for Amanda, and only a few, if any, would fulfill the criteria of being a pedophile, old-man pervert predator. I will go into more detail later in the blog.

The details show that Amanda is from Canada. It wouldn’t have been difficult to trace her. As we know, her online presence was huge. We can also see the dates of Amanda’s entry into the BlogTV world – November 26th, 2010. Now, surely, this completely destroys the myth that Amanda was 12 and in 7th grade. That is simply not true, but has become part of the mythology. I think I can confidently state that she was 14, at the tail end of being 13, when all this began. The December 18th date is false. That is the date in a different time zone. This all happened on December 17th, Canada time. Shockingly close to the police raid of December 23rd.

Now, what is more interesting is that you can see the half-covered stills from two other archived videos of Amanda – entitled ‘ill be’ and ‘bored’. What does this tell us? It tells us that Amanda’s appearances were archived. She would have not known, perhaps, that she was being capped (I find it hard to believe) but she would have been totally aware that her videos were archived. This complicates matters. Any person could have returned to Amanda’s profile at any point and seen the archives. I don’t know what happened after the ban – I asume that her records were erased. But it shows just how public Amanda was.

Now, this photo really puts the cat amongst the pigeons, and I will have to think hard and dig deeper to work out what happened.

Here is an assumption that I need to clarify: I now assume that this appearance was the one that kicked off all the fuss. We have an absolutely certain date – December 17th, 2010. I assume that this appearance was the one that was passed around her school. I have no data concerning the flash episode where she has her friend with her, but I think it’s obvious that it is around he same time.

So where does this put the blackmailing story? According to Amanda, she flashed once, and it was a year later that the stalker turned up. That is now, clearly, utter nonsense. After December 17th 2010, things must have moved rapidly. It doesn’t make sense. Did a ‘blackmailer’ get his act together almost instantaneously? It’s possible. Within seconds of Amanda’s flash, the picture could have been anywhere, and we all know how quickly things spread. But still, according to reports, Amanda also had time to be banned and then re-appear as ‘Announcing Amanda’, so that would have added a day or two to things. And then the cops arrived on December 23rd.

Amanda’s lies cloud the issue. I hate speculation, but I must admit my gut feelings have, in the past, been very close to the reality of the situation. My gut feeling is that Amanda got caught out about her flashing, and simply panicked and said she was blackmailed.

What I find more confusing is why she continued, and things got worse. This post has gone on a bit too long, and I need to think and find out more details.

Thank you to my source for giving me this information. For my two readers, I hope this wasn’t too much of an anti-climax. I will now revisit the Amanda story – it seems like it’s the millionth time I’ve done so. And by the way – you won’t find any of this online, so there’s no point looking.

I look forward to receiving any comments and any more information that anyone out there can provide. This post hasn’t covered many things today. More will be clarified in later posts.

Please go on to this link for the next instalment:

https://philipjrose.wordpress.com/2013/04/26/the-story-takes-yet-another-bizarre-twist/

 

 

 

 

 

Recycled for newer visitors

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Copied from April, 2013

Sorry about the jpg. Just click on it.

This is Amanda Todd on BlogTV.

As you will see, the capture is from December 5th, 2010. That’s ten days after ‘cutieelover’ aka Amanda Todd joined BlogTV. What she did, or where she was prior to that, I don’t know at the moment. This is eighteen days before the police arrived on her doorstep on December 23rd.

Note that the BlogTV rules are absolutely clear. I have criticised BlogTV (now YouNow) for allowing things, but to give them credit, they were quite clear about the rules, and very quick to ban people who broke them. There is no real excuse for not knowing that nudity was frowned upon. As we know, cutiielover was banned twelve days later.

Amanda is quite well-known. It is possible that, from the commencement of her membership of BlogTV on November 26th, she could have received quite a following – reputations grow fast online.

Note: this may not be the full online conversation for December 5th. I originally thought that this might be the beginning of it all, but it is possible that there were earlier comments.

The first comment available is a cordial ‘sexy’. The second comment from cutieelover is – well, what? – poignant? Could that be the word? I don’t know. Or it could just be straightforward. Who can tell?

‘im not like that anymore’

What can anyone read into this? It sounds quite forlorn, like she’s realised something, and has decided to stop. On it’s own, it sounds like it’s a finality, but, sadly, we know that just a few days later she was flashing again, and that this behaviour continued on for quite some time. Can we deduce any period of time from this? Like I said – and I hope – her reputation might have simply grown in the previous two weeks, but I retain a slight idea that these are the words of someone who has been quite known for some time. But that is irrelevant, really.

It looks like one of her fans issues a ‘sigh’ of disappointment. Or of shared sadness?

I guess that the next comment is from someone new to the room: ‘what were u like’.  The answer is horrible.

‘a slut’.

The newbie answers a plaintive and shocked ‘oh’. Someone posts a picture.

‘lol….i kinda like sluts’ – seen as positive feedback?

The newbie asks her what made her change her mind.

‘idk why’ is Kon*** basically answering his own statement two lines above.

Another person enters the room.

Dun*** writes: ‘she is a slut she still is 1’. How is that meant? How is that taken? A joke? An insult? Horrifyingly aggressive male words? Or teen nonsense?

And then we have it:

‘all my friends found my pic’

Not ‘I’ve been stalked’. Not ‘I’ve been blackmailed’. All her friends found her pic.

Holey moley! Danielle Bregoli

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/23/sexualization-13-year-old-internet-meme-cash-me-ousside

Oh well. I thought I had done well to avoid all this kind of crap, then up pops Danielle Bregoli in the Guardian this week.

What can I say? She’s a role model. She’ll make a few bucks, have her fame, then disappear into the pantheon of Internet heroes.

It says a lot about where we currently are at regarding idiot girls online – up shit creek, basically. I always get that surprised-but-not-surprised feeling. YouTube, Snapchat and the rest allow her to display highly sexualised images of herself with no attempt at control, then that sensationalist Dr. Phil gives her major publicity (in his defence, I think he expected her to be ashamed, but it kind of backfired, but it didn’t stop a second episode).

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/02/10/cash-me-outside-girl-danielle-bregoli-tries-to-cash-in-on-fame.html

It’s frustrating for all those social activists out there. Warning after warning, meeting after meeting, then along comes another kid to set it all back about 10 years. She’s got fame, she’s got fans, she’s even got her own range of clothing, and she’s been in a dumbass music video. The aspirations shared by a ton of young girls.

As usual, there’s a plethora of thoughts about this. Do we blame ma and pa? Looking at developments in the last few months, it looks like the mother has caught the same attention-seeking bug, and I’m guessing that there is some form of ‘management’ in the background, as Danielle has had what the media call a make-under.

I think we can blame media outlets. As usual, most of the media has jumped upon the story to create clickbait in that hypocritical way of theirs. Let’s face it, Dr Phil and the others know it provides good viewing figures for all the wrong reasons. Knowing her age, Youtube should drop all the videos there are, and the Press should keep well away from what is essentially exploitation of a 14-year-old, even if it is masquerading as some sort of do-gooder intention. As for Snapchat, it was really founded as the place to go for sexting, boasting that its time limit on photos would make sure it was all safe. Yeah, good luck with that, as that went out of the window ages ago.

I notice that, especially in the UK, people are saying that social services would have piled in to stop this. However, what can they do? Can they prove that all this is harmful? Danielle must be getting adult help here, whether that’s from parents of some sort of Svengali type assistance, but she isn’t breaking any law. Danielle’s shenanigans fall short of child porn regulations (on the Wild Child scale of Internet naughtiness, she’s about 5 out of 10 for shock value), so maybe they need re-thinking? When people are getting jollies out of watching a kid twerking on YouTube, there is definitely something wrong.

There’s also the progressive dichotomy. I have read dumbass articles stating that kids should be allowed to choose their gender whenever they like (to the point of being able to demand gender reassignment), yet when kids like Danielle do what they do, it’s all about being too young to be able to make a decision. I’m kind of expecting some dumbass Radical Feminist to suggest that it’s all empowering, that Danielle has the right to do what she wants, and it’s all because Patriarchy.

So here I am, giving even more publicity to this girl. Well, how about that? Catch me outside.

 

Bad Press

Outside of certain circles, this guy is hardly known. He is, in fact, Accordion George.

But enough of that. People may wonder why I keep on about the Press writing drivel about the Amanda Todd story, so here’s an example:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3128392/mum-of-teen-who-committed-suicide-after-years-of-blackmail-by-paedo-aydin-coban-tells-of-relief-at-his-sentencing/

‘Amanda Todd was 11 when he was said to have put her topless picture on a porn site and told her Facebook pals.’

‘Amanda had flashed her breasts for a couple of seconds during a jokey webcam session in a chat room with around 200 other users.

Coban was one of them and he took a screen shot of her lifting her top and used it to blackmail her.’

Well, we know that Amanda wasn’t 11 when it all kicked off. But they kind of get it right about the webcam session, but to call it jokey is very odd.

The Sun is a major British newspaper, so I would expect better, but it just shows how lazy it’s all become.

Compare this to the BBC account:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39295474

They’ve gone for ‘Todd said she was lured by a stranger to show her breasts on a webcam’ lifted straight from the video.

Interest in the story has waned again. The blog got a peak in visits a few days ago but it’s tailed off rapidly. As far as I know, there’s an appeal against the Aydin Coban sentence being launched, which could delay things for ages, and I think there is also an appeal against the extradition. It looks as if Aydin will be flown to Canada as soon as everything is cleared up, but there was a rumour that if he wasn’t extradited then the Canadians would go to Holland to pursue the case.

The case really hasn’t got much traction in the UK, and I don’t quite get why that is, as it involved UK girls. I think people just can’t be bothered with it now.

From what I can see, cyberbullying and all these types of story have dropped off the radar to a certain extent. We’ve had a couple of cases recently in the UK. It’s hard to put my finger on it, but there’s just not that much interest in these stories any more. The lesser newspapers still carry the stories, but it’s all sort of become low-level clickbait stuff. I’m not sure if that’s come from the sensible guidelines that the Press follow to avoid suicide sensationalism, but my gut feeling is that the grief value has become so much smaller. People watch the telly or look at Facebook, see a story, have about five minutes of ‘OMG! How tragic!’ and then move on to a picture of a fluffy cat, what the Kardashians have done, some gossip. Suicide stories don’t attract likes, and people don’t want to share doom and gloom too much. Teen suicides have just become part of the vacuous online flotsam and jetsam now.

In the UK, we had a similar response to the refugee crisis. A few months ago it was all a terrible tragedy, pictures of a dead child, the works. Now? Things got worse, but nobody gives a shit as we’re all panicked by Brexit or gawping at Trump now.

Oh well. That’s life.

 

 

 

 

What happens next….Part 2

OK, so it’s a bit of a poor choice of video.

Aydin Coban has been sentenced, which is no surprise. There’s news of an appeal, but that’s no surprise either, as appeals can be a gravy train for lawyers. The appeal also looks a bit feeble, going for the inadmissible evidence approach (the keylogger) rather than some sort of miscarriage of justice.

The reporting has been drivel as usual, with most media just doing a lazy cut and paste job.

What really interests me is how the extradition to Canada (if it ever happens) will pan out, and how Aydin Coban will be placed in the chronology. The trouble is that the scenarios are just too great to predict.

Will the courts go for the story that Aydin was the prime mover of the whole thing, that it was him who either approached Amanda when she was 11, or flattered her when she was 12, or caught her on BlogTV?

Will the courts insist that Amanda was online simply due to threats from Aydin?

The 11 year old story is too outrageous to be true, and the BlogTV events disprove all the flattery thing, so they will go for a history far closer to the truth and almost exactly the same as the story from the Scottish girl in the prior post. So Aydin will have appeared on the scene post-BlogTV as AliceMcalister and then again as Tyler Boo after the ‘new material’ that the RCMP reported in 2011.

I was going to write a longer post as now there are a few latecomers to the blog. However, explaining everything for them is too tedious.

My only question now is: where does this leave Carol Todd? Will she try to persist with all the variations or finally admit that things aren’t quite as clear as she lets on? I would guess that it’s a quandary for her.

Anyways. We’ll have to wait and see.

What happens next?

Aydin Coban is due for sentencing this week (either tomorrow or the day after). My guess is that he will be found guilty, but it may be a tough call. Who knows? I would also guess that there will be an immediate appeal.

The story still remains curious. It remains almost completely ignored by the UK press and hasn’t really had much impact elsewhere. There has been an interesting article here:

https://stv.tv/news/scotland/1382399-scots-girls-targeted-in-nude-webcam-blackmail-plot/

It’s interesting because the girl is just so typical of all the victims, saying:

She said: “I was not getting a lot of attention from family and friends so I found it was a way for me to get attention elsewhere.

“I would go online and do loads of pictures of myself. Nude pictures of myself when I was underage.

“They were from the span of maybe 11 years old to 14 years old. I was posting them on online forums like 4chan. I would also do live streams where people would watch me get naked and stuff.

“They gave me a lot of affection and compliments. It made me want to keep doing it because I felt good.”

This is in keeping with the Amanda Todd story, and, of course, is way off from all the tales of Coban being some sort of silver-tongued tempter. Indeed, the words of the Scottish girl (who I guess is Gemma) would be identical to a testimony from Amanda and all the rest of the victims.

However, what is more confusing is that Carol Todd is still in some sort of crazy denial. There’s another new article here:

‘The more skin you show, the more likes you get’: The virtual lives of Canadian teen girls

From that:

“We talked about Amanda in grade seven and eight, but something wild would have to happen for us to talk about her again,” Becky said. “My parents are concerned, but they’re not that concerned, and most parents don’t check into what their kids are posting online.”

When the topic of online predators and cyberbullying is discussed during a grade 10 English class at Central Toronto, one female student falls asleep; you get the impression they’ve heard it all too many times before.

but Carol Todd seems to have missed the whole thing:

“Amanda loved to sing and posted videos on YouTube and someone found her account, pretended he was close to her age, paid her a compliment and kids being kids, girls — she fell for it,” says Todd, who has now returned from Amsterdam to Port Coquitlam.

Carol Todd still appears to want the story to be the old myth of ‘she was tricked’, which by now everyone knows is a load of baloney. In another Carol Todd version, Amanda was approached by someone who promised her a career in music. In yet another version, it was all the people from BlogTV. In yet another version, some lunatic turned up and threatened to visit Amanda in real life unless she flashed.

If Coban does get extradited to Canada, I’m not sure how Mrs Todd will cope with what will surely be an in depth investigation of the history. There’s always that ‘careful what you wish for’ element, but maybe we will get the full truth eventually. Then, perhaps, people might concentrate on more important issues – not just why kids like the Scottish girl go online and flash the flesh for likes, but why nobody seems bothered  about tackling the sites that exist to allow it all.

However, there is a scenario which I think may be not far from what will actually happen. I’m predicting that Aydin Coban will end up in prison and that the Canadian authorities will say that that’s the end of it – he’s guilty, it’s all his fault, end of story. I say that because I think that the RCMP and others won’t want to be shown up as incompetent idiots who handled the case badly, and there will be a huge desire to keep the Amanda Todd myth intact. Nobody, not even Carol Todd, will want to acknowledge the extent to which they fucked up.

Aydin Coban is innocent

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I was caught out. I expected the court case to continue tomorrow, not yesterday.

As I haven’t had time to check it all out – there were a ton of tweets – it does seem intriguing, but I can only give brief details for now.

We still have the mysterious Murat. Coban still says the incriminating hard drive belongs to Murat.

One of the main sets of identities – Kelsey  – isn’t to be found on the computer.

Some of the IP addresses can’t be linked.

The surveillance gadgets were faulty, leading to stuff that was out of context.

More odd is that some of the online conversations took place when Aydin was in clink. That could be a game changer.

The connections were supplied by Facebook. From the Amanda Todd list, it looks like they might have been lazy and just listed every single contact Amanda had as being from Coban.

I’ll try to get more detail soon.

Carol Todd mentioned me. Well, she said I was a blogger from the UK. She also issued an invitation to meet her in Amsterdam.

Just for info – people in huge countries like the USA or Canada treat driving 100 miles to the shops as no big deal. In tiny England anything further than a mile is a big effort. So although Amsterdam is only 250 miles away, it may as well be on another planet. Bear in mind that 10% of kids on an estate in Brighton haven’t been to the beach (walking distance). Mind you, Amsterdam appeals to Englanders because it has drugs and prostitution. Carol should feel at home there – it’s just like Maple Ridge, or Norm’s holiday home.

Aydin Coban supervillain

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Aydin Coban is back in court today, but nothing new is added apart from the threat of a 10 year prison sentence. What impact that would have on his extradition I don’t know. My initial thoughts are that Coban will do his time in Holland and it will be seen that extraditing someone to be found guilty of what is essentially the same crime is pointless. Or perhaps he’ll be taken to Canada for some sort of show trial and the sentence will run concurrently. What has confused me here is that none of the other countries involved have asked for similar actions.

The sheer breadth of his actions is astonishing, but then these crimes were spread over a period of time.

The evidence seems complete and really it looks like case closed. If we assume that all the evidence is correct, a guilty verdict is inevitable. I’m guessing that the eventual defence (due on February 15th I think) will split into two: complete denial, blaming the mysterious Murat, with a possible plea that the evidence was gained illegally.

My own feelings are mixed. Part of me doubts that it is Coban because his ability to con people seems great. I can quite imagine the dumbass blackmail threats, but then his ability to take on a myriad of characters seems too clever by half. But then, of course, we’re missing the absolute stupidity of people online. If dumbass blokes from England and Australia get conned into stuff with minors without thinking there might be consequences, what chance do even dumber kids have?

It will be interesting to see the post-sentence rewriting of history. From my point of view, it’s a big task to work out where Coban fits into the chronology. I’m guessing that the Press will come up with something like this:

Way back when Amanda Todd was 11, 12 or 13, Amanda was approached online by the supervillain Aydin Coban, tricked into flashing, and blackmailed from then on. Each of her appearances online – BlogTV and so on – were down to Aydin Coban and it’s all his fault.

That version of the story will protect the Angel image and people won’t have to deal with the messier aspects of it all.

However, it’s never that simple. There are too many variables. Just pinning down the early history is a nightmare. Here’s a brief overview of the complications:

In one account, Amanda was threatened with death when she was 11 by some online predator. In her video account, she was flattered by a stranger in a one-to-one encounter when she was in 7th grade (close to being 12 years old). Then the BlogTV incident was when she was 13.

After the BlogTV and the cops palaver, the next puzzling thing is that Amanda was straight back online via Ustream, and we have Norm telling us that Amanda thought it was all ‘no big deal’. (Just where is Norm? He’s kind of non-existent these days).

If that’s not enough, we then have the RCMP no less telling us that Amanda produced ‘new material’ and warning the Todds to get her offline, and reference to this material occurring in the Tyler Boo conversations.

All quite a mess to untangle.

The Dutch procedures seem to be a fait accompli. Coban would have to be some sort of criminal Houdini to get out of this. If the case ever comes to Canada it will be interesting to see just what skeletons will be brought out of the cupboard.

Anyways. Usually, when I think I’ve got this tale pinned down, something comes in out of the blue. After February 15th maybe everything will be clearer.