What happens next….Part 2

OK, so it’s a bit of a poor choice of video.

Aydin Coban has been sentenced, which is no surprise. There’s news of an appeal, but that’s no surprise either, as appeals can be a gravy train for lawyers. The appeal also looks a bit feeble, going for the inadmissible evidence approach (the keylogger) rather than some sort of miscarriage of justice.

The reporting has been drivel as usual, with most media just doing a lazy cut and paste job.

What really interests me is how the extradition to Canada (if it ever happens) will pan out, and how Aydin Coban will be placed in the chronology. The trouble is that the scenarios are just too great to predict.

Will the courts go for the story that Aydin was the prime mover of the whole thing, that it was him who either approached Amanda when she was 11, or flattered her when she was 12, or caught her on BlogTV?

Will the courts insist that Amanda was online simply due to threats from Aydin?

The 11 year old story is too outrageous to be true, and the BlogTV events disprove all the flattery thing, so they will go for a history far closer to the truth and almost exactly the same as the story from the Scottish girl in the prior post. So Aydin will have appeared on the scene post-BlogTV as AliceMcalister and then again as Tyler Boo after the ‘new material’ that the RCMP reported in 2011.

I was going to write a longer post as now there are a few latecomers to the blog. However, explaining everything for them is too tedious.

My only question now is: where does this leave Carol Todd? Will she try to persist with all the variations or finally admit that things aren’t quite as clear as she lets on? I would guess that it’s a quandary for her.

Anyways. We’ll have to wait and see.

What happens next?

Aydin Coban is due for sentencing this week (either tomorrow or the day after). My guess is that he will be found guilty, but it may be a tough call. Who knows? I would also guess that there will be an immediate appeal.

The story still remains curious. It remains almost completely ignored by the UK press and hasn’t really had much impact elsewhere. There has been an interesting article here:

https://stv.tv/news/scotland/1382399-scots-girls-targeted-in-nude-webcam-blackmail-plot/

It’s interesting because the girl is just so typical of all the victims, saying:

She said: “I was not getting a lot of attention from family and friends so I found it was a way for me to get attention elsewhere.

“I would go online and do loads of pictures of myself. Nude pictures of myself when I was underage.

“They were from the span of maybe 11 years old to 14 years old. I was posting them on online forums like 4chan. I would also do live streams where people would watch me get naked and stuff.

“They gave me a lot of affection and compliments. It made me want to keep doing it because I felt good.”

This is in keeping with the Amanda Todd story, and, of course, is way off from all the tales of Coban being some sort of silver-tongued tempter. Indeed, the words of the Scottish girl (who I guess is Gemma) would be identical to a testimony from Amanda and all the rest of the victims.

However, what is more confusing is that Carol Todd is still in some sort of crazy denial. There’s another new article here:

‘The more skin you show, the more likes you get’: The virtual lives of Canadian teen girls

From that:

“We talked about Amanda in grade seven and eight, but something wild would have to happen for us to talk about her again,” Becky said. “My parents are concerned, but they’re not that concerned, and most parents don’t check into what their kids are posting online.”

When the topic of online predators and cyberbullying is discussed during a grade 10 English class at Central Toronto, one female student falls asleep; you get the impression they’ve heard it all too many times before.

but Carol Todd seems to have missed the whole thing:

“Amanda loved to sing and posted videos on YouTube and someone found her account, pretended he was close to her age, paid her a compliment and kids being kids, girls — she fell for it,” says Todd, who has now returned from Amsterdam to Port Coquitlam.

Carol Todd still appears to want the story to be the old myth of ‘she was tricked’, which by now everyone knows is a load of baloney. In another Carol Todd version, Amanda was approached by someone who promised her a career in music. In yet another version, it was all the people from BlogTV. In yet another version, some lunatic turned up and threatened to visit Amanda in real life unless she flashed.

If Coban does get extradited to Canada, I’m not sure how Mrs Todd will cope with what will surely be an in depth investigation of the history. There’s always that ‘careful what you wish for’ element, but maybe we will get the full truth eventually. Then, perhaps, people might concentrate on more important issues – not just why kids like the Scottish girl go online and flash the flesh for likes, but why nobody seems bothered  about tackling the sites that exist to allow it all.

However, there is a scenario which I think may be not far from what will actually happen. I’m predicting that Aydin Coban will end up in prison and that the Canadian authorities will say that that’s the end of it – he’s guilty, it’s all his fault, end of story. I say that because I think that the RCMP and others won’t want to be shown up as incompetent idiots who handled the case badly, and there will be a huge desire to keep the Amanda Todd myth intact. Nobody, not even Carol Todd, will want to acknowledge the extent to which they fucked up.

Aydin Coban is innocent

curious

I was caught out. I expected the court case to continue tomorrow, not yesterday.

As I haven’t had time to check it all out – there were a ton of tweets – it does seem intriguing, but I can only give brief details for now.

We still have the mysterious Murat. Coban still says the incriminating hard drive belongs to Murat.

One of the main sets of identities – Kelsey  – isn’t to be found on the computer.

Some of the IP addresses can’t be linked.

The surveillance gadgets were faulty, leading to stuff that was out of context.

More odd is that some of the online conversations took place when Aydin was in clink. That could be a game changer.

The connections were supplied by Facebook. From the Amanda Todd list, it looks like they might have been lazy and just listed every single contact Amanda had as being from Coban.

I’ll try to get more detail soon.

Carol Todd mentioned me. Well, she said I was a blogger from the UK. She also issued an invitation to meet her in Amsterdam.

Just for info – people in huge countries like the USA or Canada treat driving 100 miles to the shops as no big deal. In tiny England anything further than a mile is a big effort. So although Amsterdam is only 250 miles away, it may as well be on another planet. Bear in mind that 10% of kids on an estate in Brighton haven’t been to the beach (walking distance). Mind you, Amsterdam appeals to Englanders because it has drugs and prostitution. Carol should feel at home there – it’s just like Maple Ridge, or Norm’s holiday home.

Aydin Coban supervillain

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Aydin Coban is back in court today, but nothing new is added apart from the threat of a 10 year prison sentence. What impact that would have on his extradition I don’t know. My initial thoughts are that Coban will do his time in Holland and it will be seen that extraditing someone to be found guilty of what is essentially the same crime is pointless. Or perhaps he’ll be taken to Canada for some sort of show trial and the sentence will run concurrently. What has confused me here is that none of the other countries involved have asked for similar actions.

The sheer breadth of his actions is astonishing, but then these crimes were spread over a period of time.

The evidence seems complete and really it looks like case closed. If we assume that all the evidence is correct, a guilty verdict is inevitable. I’m guessing that the eventual defence (due on February 15th I think) will split into two: complete denial, blaming the mysterious Murat, with a possible plea that the evidence was gained illegally.

My own feelings are mixed. Part of me doubts that it is Coban because his ability to con people seems great. I can quite imagine the dumbass blackmail threats, but then his ability to take on a myriad of characters seems too clever by half. But then, of course, we’re missing the absolute stupidity of people online. If dumbass blokes from England and Australia get conned into stuff with minors without thinking there might be consequences, what chance do even dumber kids have?

It will be interesting to see the post-sentence rewriting of history. From my point of view, it’s a big task to work out where Coban fits into the chronology. I’m guessing that the Press will come up with something like this:

Way back when Amanda Todd was 11, 12 or 13, Amanda was approached online by the supervillain Aydin Coban, tricked into flashing, and blackmailed from then on. Each of her appearances online – BlogTV and so on – were down to Aydin Coban and it’s all his fault.

That version of the story will protect the Angel image and people won’t have to deal with the messier aspects of it all.

However, it’s never that simple. There are too many variables. Just pinning down the early history is a nightmare. Here’s a brief overview of the complications:

In one account, Amanda was threatened with death when she was 11 by some online predator. In her video account, she was flattered by a stranger in a one-to-one encounter when she was in 7th grade (close to being 12 years old). Then the BlogTV incident was when she was 13.

After the BlogTV and the cops palaver, the next puzzling thing is that Amanda was straight back online via Ustream, and we have Norm telling us that Amanda thought it was all ‘no big deal’. (Just where is Norm? He’s kind of non-existent these days).

If that’s not enough, we then have the RCMP no less telling us that Amanda produced ‘new material’ and warning the Todds to get her offline, and reference to this material occurring in the Tyler Boo conversations.

All quite a mess to untangle.

The Dutch procedures seem to be a fait accompli. Coban would have to be some sort of criminal Houdini to get out of this. If the case ever comes to Canada it will be interesting to see just what skeletons will be brought out of the cupboard.

Anyways. Usually, when I think I’ve got this tale pinned down, something comes in out of the blue. After February 15th maybe everything will be clearer.

 

Aydin Coban Latest

 

A mixed post today.

Aydin Coban’s story is getting worse and worse.

“Aydin C is in jan. 2012 veroordeeld in België voor onder meer fraude. Hij kreeg 1 jaar cel. Of hij gezeten heeft is onduidelijk.”

Aydin C is Jan. 2012 sentenced in Belgium to include fraud. He was given one year sentence. Whether he has been unclear.” (This looks like he had changed a job permit/construction license – nothing pervey).

I don’t know what to make of that. Has he been in prison before? If it’s true, it puts him out of circulation for most of 2012, but still leaves it feasible that he was around at the time of Tyler Boo, which was late 2011.

His house was bugged, and he was listening to music with lyrics ‘Let’s dominate her..’.

He has five male victims – four English, one Australian. Nobody will have much sympathy with them, as they were allegedly enticed by an underage boy.

Carol Todd has arrived, but sits away from the Press.

The men were blackmailed and made payments to accounts linked to where Aydin Coban lived.

Aydin insists that the accounts belonged to a guy called Murat. The mysterious Murat is the guy who Coban knew, and who is supposedly the owner of the computer. So we can guess that Coban will claim it was all Murat. Whatever the plea, it’s extremely odd that Coban and Murat just happen to be in the same place, but then again being guilty just because your friend is a pervert won’t see him go to jail. Just who is Murat?

31,500 euros of Western Union transactions traceable to Coban. Coban disputes the photos that were taken at the cash points. He has a certain arrogance about him.

There are telephone records of Coban speaking with a Western Union point.

One of the men lost his job (but like I said, there’ll not be much sympathy).

There’s an odd reference to a welfare agency (one of the men was told he was paying a welfare agency?).

Emails found from Mark Cameron (aka Coban) with instructions and links to victim’s Facebook account.

There seems to be a fuss because all of this is new evidence.

We get some personal details about Aydin. He has three siblings. Turkish parents, not a practicing Muslim. He only has contact with his mother.

Bought cars. Started a business. Lost money….. Played guitar on streets for money..

Later works with computers, fixing stuff and building websites.

Lost a load of money invested in Turkey.

C. borrowed from the Grey Wolves money. Murat. 8000 euros. He went anonymous life because he could not pay the money back and is afraid of Murat.

The mysterious Murat and the Grey Wolves again. This is quite some tale.

How is C. ‘life? He wants to be free and therefore lives as anonymously as possible. “The fewer people you know, the less trouble.”

Friends say that C is helpful. “He is very helpful and does not like to hurt others. He’s very quiet. “

Friends can not believe that C. is guilty. C. said to have been popular in school. He has had several relationships.

Follow the story:

https://twitter.com/TesselLinders?lang=en

https://twitter.com/mathijspennings?lang=en

http://www.omroepbrabant.nl/?news/261051482/Aydin+C.+pinde+in+Oisterwijk+en+Tilburg+duizenden+euros+van+slachtoffers.aspx

I’m still looking for this to be picked up by anybody outside of Holland, but there is still surprisingly little reaction from the Press. I was hoping they would be more helpful and do some of the translating for me.

Anyways. We’re still stuck in the Aydin Coban mire. He sure matches the profile for weirdos online, and seems to be clearly linked to various crimes. But who is Murat?

Jeez, it would be great if he just owned up to most of the nonsense, or at least told us who Murat is or where he is. It’s difficult to know just how good the evidence is, e.g. is it convincing enough to deal with someone who simply says “It wasn’t me it was Murat” all the time?

I’m guessing he’s been told to take a “No comment” approach until the end, when he seems to imply that all will be revealed, but unless he has something extraordinary to offer, I can’t see him getting away with it.

I’m guessing that there will be another couple of days of evidence just to ram it all home, which will be boring. Nothing interesting will happen until the final day, which is supposed to be February 15th. I’m not getting excited. He’ll deny it all, blame Murat, get sentenced, then probably appeal. I’m not sure if he is meant to be found guilty of the whole shebang, or if each case will be treated as a separate entity, which will make it even more confusing.

Until then….

 

 

 

Round and round we go.

Sheesh this is all so confusing.

I’ve been going back over some of the content of this blog, and it looks so weird. But then, it really is all too weird. In context of all the conflicting information that was flying around, it wasn’t surprising that it looked all so crazy.

So I’ll just quickly show some parts of the jigsaw.

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This was a warning from Alice McAlister way back at the end of 2010. Alice gets mentioned in Carol’s blog:

https://caroltoddsnowflakes.wordpress.com/2014/12/06/did-pink-floyd-have-purple-bricks-part-2/

“I also wish that I had continued the conversation with ‘Alice McAlister’ instead of ‘ignoring and not responding’.  I wish that the person behind the name ‘Tyler Boo’ had never existed.  I wish Amanda were alive.  Sadly, none of the three things can be changed — EVER!!”.

So Alice McAlister gives a warning that Amanda is in trouble and runs the risk of being blackmailed, which is fair enough. Then it turns out that Alice McAlister is (allegedly) Aydin Coban.

Then we get Austin Collins and the infamous Facebook account. He’s meant to be Aydin Coban.

Then we get Tyler Boo who is friends with Amanda on Facebook. He’s also Aydin Coban.

Alice McAlister, Austin Collins, Tyler Boo. All the same person. All Aydin Coban.

These pics are, as far as I know, in order.

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rubbish

Note that the above story is contradicted in Amanda’s tragic video, which tells us she was flattered. From one press piece at the time: “The horror began when a predator took advantage of an overly trusting 12-year-old. A pedophile who stalked young girls with webcams called her “stunning, beautiful, perfect,”.

Followed by what now seems to be an appalling response from the RCMP.

full rcmp

Nothing new

Nothing happening today, so another lazy post.

A few references to the Cappers from way back in history.

http://www.alternet.org/cappers-horrifying-creeps-who-trick-underage-girls-strip-online

http://www.dailydot.com/society/sick-pedophile-ring-blackmail-amanda-todd/

From the Daily Dot:

“As the Daily Dot reported Monday, Amanda Todd’s oblique connection to the group can be found in two videos, dating from Dec. 19 2010 and Dec. 10 2010. Importantly, the capper crowd didn’t seem to know Todd very well. The first video, which announced her appearance on the scene, calls her a “mystery girl” and wonders if the video might have been recorded and set on a loop.

A mysterious BlogTV girl named Amanda is said to flash her tits randomly at low view counts when she “feels horny.” She flashed twice this Thursday, the second one when she had over 90 viewers. Her account, which is named b33 has lasted for over a year and according to the stats she has over 33 live shows under belt … After she got off BlogTV chatters voiced their suspicions that Amanda was actually a video loop. Her repetitive unvaried movements and lack of sound certainly seem to support that suspicion. As does the fact that she disconnected before the chat, as one would do when one was changing from one loop to another.”

Way back then, I left this out of the blog as it seemed unlikely that Amanda was actually b33, but who knows?

And of course people were certain of who the real criminal was:

http://hypervocal.com/news/2012/amanda-todd-kody-maxson-daily-capper/

There has been a surprising lack of any coverage by the media so far, but I guess that it will all be waiting until Carol Todd turns up in court next week. I must admit that I find that a bit dodgy, as it adds a whole different feeling to the procedures and runs the risk of turning it into an emotional drama centred on Amanda, particularly as she is not involved in the current case. On the other hand, maybe it will be welcomed by all the victims as it adds dramatic weight to what seems to be an inevitable guilty verdict.

Carol’s blog shows a translation of some of the stuff.

https://caroltoddsnowflakes.wordpress.com/2017/01/30/english-twitter-translation-of-first-3-days/

Unless there is a miracle, it really looks like case closed on Aydin Coban now. Though it will be extremely tough to trace him all the way back to the initial appearances of Amanda online, it looks like he played a definite role. The reason I seem so reticent in condemning him straight off is that it doesn’t all fit well. As we can see, the fact that he is meant to be Kody Maxson throws it all up in the air. Carol Todd seems to be aware that it’s not as straightforward as all that too, saying in her blog somewhere (and in the media, I think) that it wasn’t just one person who brought her down, it was many.

The Dutch Supreme Court is announcing the result of Coban’s appeal against extradition today. I’m hoping he will be extradited as that will truly open up a can of worms, not only because the whole gruesome story will come out but also because the RCMP will have a few questions to answer about how badly they tackled the whole thing from December 2010 onwards. One of the things that has been mentioned in the Dutch court is compensation, ranging from a few hundred euros up to a few thousand, so will the RCMP have to pay for their mistakes?

What I’m not understanding at the moment is the shortage of interest in the case. An English and a Scottish girl are involved, but that’s not been picked up by anyone here apart from a brief article in the Daily Mail. There’s also another Canadian girl involved and at least one from the USA. At some point, the Press reported that the case wasn’t going to be international, but it makes me wonder why Amanda has been omitted and it also makes me question why the Dutch allowed Aydin to publish his ‘I am innocent’ letter.

The other thing I’m not getting is the time scales. Victims are saying that they flashed or whatever in 2008 but weren’t contacted until 4 years later. I don’t know why that would happen, unless Coban simply went back and re-visited old Capper videos.

I leave you with an opinion from one of Aydin’s victims. It’s completely trustworthy as I have verified it with the files that are in the hands of the the Dutch court. In fact, I think she’s already been quoted in the proceedings.

“ There will be hundreds and hundreds of girls who got blackmailed in the last few years, and every one of them would like to be able to blame Aydin Coban.”
I’m sure that is true. I believe that many of the girls want closure, so they will be quick to pin the blame on anyone they can for a cathartic emotional release, though they don’t actually have all the facts.
Especially because, yes, blackmailing is common amongst 4chan users.
I don’t see myself as an innocent victim, truly.
I wasn’t “seduced” into doing any of the things that I did. He contacted me afterwards. It was simply illogical actions I made in my youth in the year of 2010 as well, actually. He contacted me in 2012.
I also believe he did the same with the majority of the others (contacted them afterwards). I doubt that he was able to court young girls on a solo basis, but I do not believe that makes his crimes any less severe.
I could be wrong, but wasn’t Amanda streaming on web chat sites like Stickam/YouStream which broadcasts her video to multiple viewers at a time?
More than likely, she was swept up by the attention from a variety of people and her information was released afterwards which was used for blackmail; that’s my theory. That seems to be extremely common.
They’re so young; they don’t have a solid grasp of the concept of repercussions of actions because they don’t have the past experience to know and learn from.
I do not think an extremely young person (especially if they are undisciplined as in Jessica Leonhardt’s case) understands the concept of if you do A, B and C will happen because of it.
They don’t look into the future to reason that something will happen to them afterwards because they haven’t really experienced anything significant yet to learn from.
It goes without saying, children shouldn’t have unmonitored internet access while communicating with much older strangers whom can adeptly manipulate an inferior mind.
Though, in Amanda’s case, I may be wrong. He may have had different ways of going about it which are each unique to the victim. I say that because something that confused me when reading your posts was that he allegedly blackmailed people so that he could extort money from them.
If that was true, why was he contacting very young girls? Unless, he only extorted money from a select amount of victims… or he lied to throw people off of his trail, or so that he did not look to be a pedophile in the eyes of other people, though I do agree he is the type of person who enjoys being imprisoned.
Yes; the images were sent, and I did contact the authorities. He sent them to the school board and a select amount of my Facebook friends list (he said that if I did not cave in to do the shows, he would send the photos to the remaining amount of my friends list) which got me into a hindrance with the police for producing child pornography.
The authorities took control of my online accounts, destroyed the computer I used to produce the material, and they notified me that the account he used to contact me was accessed via the Netherlands and that they found this out from Facebook (this was in 2012), but that it was unlikely that they would be able to locate/arrest him.
I don’t know if I’m remembering correctly, but I think it had to do with laws as well as a lack of capability.
I began homeschooling after the events.
The FBI contacted me in 2014 of January; they came to my home, told me the person behind the Facebook account in which he used to contact me was in police custody and proceeded to fill me in on the details of the case.
I too was skeptical that it was truly him until they showed me the mugshot. They offered to fly me out to the Netherlands free of charge, but I declined.
A quote from him,
“just 9 days ago i got one arrested and shes now forbiden to use internet during the entire proces, her dad got arrested too cos he happened to have weed in the house, lulz.”
And when googling his Skype name, I found this thread. Clearly, he was not lying about having multiple victims.
It seems to me to be an act of sexual deviance; he seems to derive arousal by the act of having control over somebody “dirty” or weak and extorting pleasure from the emotional pain it causes.
He even made a Skype account to contact me with my name in the blank: “___’s master”
I also think he is a legitimate sociopath. I believe he is masquerading as an unassuming, quiet man; the type of person you would not expect.
I too agree sending a photo of himself is extremely foolish; I genuinely begged and pried it out of him every day until he did. Initially, he only sent a photo with half of his face and a paper with my name written onto it.
He would always accuse me of manipulating him in order to gain information, and it was obvious that being identified was something that invoked fear.
I believe the reason for why he befriended me was for a power play. Half for control, half for loneliness.
It is ridiculous, but he made me a deal (due to the fact that I was not agreeing to do the shows?) that is that if I befriended him, he would “let me off the hook”. He is clearly mentally ill.
I theorize that it was his way of regaining control; to gain something, because I did not seem to distraught when he sent the images to my friends.
Yet, he got it into his head that I was prying for information and sent them to the entirety of my friends list under a different aliases.
He stopped talking to me when I confronted him.
Then, he would proceed to come back under different aliases and send them to my friends list every few months. It stopped abruptly in January of 2014.
He admits that he hacks the neighbors Wi-Fi in the messages he sent me, and in his open letter, did he not claim that the router belonged to one of his former neighbors that was used to contact Amanda? That “anyone could access it?” Also, he revealed to me that there are 30,000 houses in his vicinity.
I do understand the skepticism as it is not very convincing; it’s solely my word. It could have been any 4chan user that contacted me in your eyes. If I located the photos of himself, it would be a different story in that regard.
I never knew of his literal age until the police told me he was 35 the time in which he was arrested.
I will try to locate the photos he sent to me.”
Now please people, at least give me some applause for bringing you exclusive information again.