Amanda Todd wasn’t on her own

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As the Coban trial continues, it gets more shocking. Apparently he had 204,000 porn pics on his hard drive, he was in trouble with the Grijze Wolven. As most of it is in Dutch it’s a pain to work out the details. Add in the thing about 7 gay Australians and it starts getting too weird.

Meanwhile I’ve reissued these pics from the catalogue. The clip is actually far worse than this can show and makes the BlogTV episode look mild. It’s really this clip that puzzles me most as it’s so far away from the ‘it was a brief flash’ storyline and involves another kid who was very much part of Amanda’s scene but never gets a mention.

Because of this clip, Amanda’s BlogTV shows and so on, it’s tough to match the current narrative of one action followed by years of torment.

Just in case anyone thinks this isn’t Amanda, then OK, you’re entitled to that. Just ask Carol Todd though – she’ll remember that Amanda had a pair of trousers (or ‘pants’ as they are called in the USA) with ‘CHEER’ written on the bottom. And she’ll recognise the soft toy. And Amanda’s old bedrooom.

It looks as if there are a few latecomers to the blog, so rather tediously I have to re-visit old news.

Recycled for newer visitors

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Copied from April, 2013

Sorry about the jpg. Just click on it.

This is Amanda Todd on BlogTV.

As you will see, the capture is from December 5th, 2010. That’s ten days after ‘cutieelover’ aka Amanda Todd joined BlogTV. What she did, or where she was prior to that, I don’t know at the moment. This is eighteen days before the police arrived on her doorstep on December 23rd.

Note that the BlogTV rules are absolutely clear. I have criticised BlogTV (now YouNow) for allowing things, but to give them credit, they were quite clear about the rules, and very quick to ban people who broke them. There is no real excuse for not knowing that nudity was frowned upon. As we know, cutiielover was banned twelve days later.

Amanda is quite well-known. It is possible that, from the commencement of her membership of BlogTV on November 26th, she could have received quite a following – reputations grow fast online.

Note: this may not be the full online conversation for December 5th. I originally thought that this might be the beginning of it all, but it is possible that there were earlier comments.

The first comment available is a cordial ‘sexy’. The second comment from cutieelover is – well, what? – poignant? Could that be the word? I don’t know. Or it could just be straightforward. Who can tell?

‘im not like that anymore’

What can anyone read into this? It sounds quite forlorn, like she’s realised something, and has decided to stop. On it’s own, it sounds like it’s a finality, but, sadly, we know that just a few days later she was flashing again, and that this behaviour continued on for quite some time. Can we deduce any period of time from this? Like I said – and I hope – her reputation might have simply grown in the previous two weeks, but I retain a slight idea that these are the words of someone who has been quite known for some time. But that is irrelevant, really.

It looks like one of her fans issues a ‘sigh’ of disappointment. Or of shared sadness?

I guess that the next comment is from someone new to the room: ‘what were u like’.  The answer is horrible.

‘a slut’.

The newbie answers a plaintive and shocked ‘oh’. Someone posts a picture.

‘lol….i kinda like sluts’ – seen as positive feedback?

The newbie asks her what made her change her mind.

‘idk why’ is Kon*** basically answering his own statement two lines above.

Another person enters the room.

Dun*** writes: ‘she is a slut she still is 1’. How is that meant? How is that taken? A joke? An insult? Horrifyingly aggressive male words? Or teen nonsense?

And then we have it:

‘all my friends found my pic’

Not ‘I’ve been stalked’. Not ‘I’ve been blackmailed’. All her friends found her pic.

What happens next?

Aydin Coban is due for sentencing this week (either tomorrow or the day after). My guess is that he will be found guilty, but it may be a tough call. Who knows? I would also guess that there will be an immediate appeal.

The story still remains curious. It remains almost completely ignored by the UK press and hasn’t really had much impact elsewhere. There has been an interesting article here:

https://stv.tv/news/scotland/1382399-scots-girls-targeted-in-nude-webcam-blackmail-plot/

It’s interesting because the girl is just so typical of all the victims, saying:

She said: “I was not getting a lot of attention from family and friends so I found it was a way for me to get attention elsewhere.

“I would go online and do loads of pictures of myself. Nude pictures of myself when I was underage.

“They were from the span of maybe 11 years old to 14 years old. I was posting them on online forums like 4chan. I would also do live streams where people would watch me get naked and stuff.

“They gave me a lot of affection and compliments. It made me want to keep doing it because I felt good.”

This is in keeping with the Amanda Todd story, and, of course, is way off from all the tales of Coban being some sort of silver-tongued tempter. Indeed, the words of the Scottish girl (who I guess is Gemma) would be identical to a testimony from Amanda and all the rest of the victims.

However, what is more confusing is that Carol Todd is still in some sort of crazy denial. There’s another new article here:

‘The more skin you show, the more likes you get’: The virtual lives of Canadian teen girls

From that:

“We talked about Amanda in grade seven and eight, but something wild would have to happen for us to talk about her again,” Becky said. “My parents are concerned, but they’re not that concerned, and most parents don’t check into what their kids are posting online.”

When the topic of online predators and cyberbullying is discussed during a grade 10 English class at Central Toronto, one female student falls asleep; you get the impression they’ve heard it all too many times before.

but Carol Todd seems to have missed the whole thing:

“Amanda loved to sing and posted videos on YouTube and someone found her account, pretended he was close to her age, paid her a compliment and kids being kids, girls — she fell for it,” says Todd, who has now returned from Amsterdam to Port Coquitlam.

Carol Todd still appears to want the story to be the old myth of ‘she was tricked’, which by now everyone knows is a load of baloney. In another Carol Todd version, Amanda was approached by someone who promised her a career in music. In yet another version, it was all the people from BlogTV. In yet another version, some lunatic turned up and threatened to visit Amanda in real life unless she flashed.

If Coban does get extradited to Canada, I’m not sure how Mrs Todd will cope with what will surely be an in depth investigation of the history. There’s always that ‘careful what you wish for’ element, but maybe we will get the full truth eventually. Then, perhaps, people might concentrate on more important issues – not just why kids like the Scottish girl go online and flash the flesh for likes, but why nobody seems bothered  about tackling the sites that exist to allow it all.

However, there is a scenario which I think may be not far from what will actually happen. I’m predicting that Aydin Coban will end up in prison and that the Canadian authorities will say that that’s the end of it – he’s guilty, it’s all his fault, end of story. I say that because I think that the RCMP and others won’t want to be shown up as incompetent idiots who handled the case badly, and there will be a huge desire to keep the Amanda Todd myth intact. Nobody, not even Carol Todd, will want to acknowledge the extent to which they fucked up.

Aydin Coban in trouble

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Well, the second one looks a bit like Aydin on a bad hair day.

Anyways. Things are not looking good for him. I can only speculate that he will have to simply try hard to deny that the computer is his, go down the path of saying it’s all a police stitch-up, or claim insanity.

From Omroep Brabant.

A British undercover agent was used in the case against Aydin C. He posed as an English girl who had prolonged contact with the suspect. Two minutes after such an IM conversation was completed, a team of Dutch police raided the bungalow Aydin C. Oisterwijk where he was alone at the time.

So far there’s been an English girl, a Scottish girl (could this be Gemma?) and also an American girl (Julia Batterman?) brought forward in the evidence. (My only thought about this is that it’s odd that the story hasn’t got much coverage in Scotland, England or the USA). I’m not sure if the girls are actually there (I think not) but there is video evidence that has been blurred to show what went on. However, there’s no mention of whether or not these are BlogTV type captures or one-to-one, and there’s a slim chance that Aydin could claim that these were from Capper sites like stickamvids.net .

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Above: Aydin Coban allegedly in action in 2011. Was she today’s American girl in court?

The latest news differs slightly from earlier information. Before, the information only suggested that all the contacts were made via the same router. Therefore it was feasible that anyone could have used the router. It was also suggested that the police could not gain access to the information on Coban’s computer because it was encrypted. Now the police are saying that loads of stuff has been located on the computer so it surely has to be game over for Aydin.

He seems to have employed most of the same tactics as the 4chan/Daily Capper types and to be honest he sounds like a match for our old friend r0ra.

So what more is there to say? At the moment Aydin is staying silent, saying that it will be all down to the summing up of his lawyer when, I guess, he’s questioned. Unless he has some sort of incredible defence strategy, I really can’t see that he can escape a guilty verdict. Apparently, his room was also bugged, which provided even more evidence. Maybe he’ll try some sort of invasion of rights plea, but I can’t see that working. It’s just odd that he seems quietly confident (his published letter showed a certain amount of ease) but that’s no guarantee of anything. In recent trials in the UK (Rolf Harris, for instance) the perpetrators remain completely unaware of their guilt.

I find it odd that a guy who is supposed to be some sort of online computer genius got found with so much stuff to incriminate him, but that, too, can be put down to an element of arrogance. The 204,000 pics is a stupendous amount to have, but then again who can account for obsessive nutcases? And the gay guys in Australia is a mystery. Blimey, add the Grey Wolves into the mix https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grijze_Wolven and there’s a load going on (Aydin owed money to them, I think). Will Aydin say he was forced to do stuff to pay them the money he owed?

So let’s have a guess at what will happen as it stands.

Aydin Coban must be found guilty unless there is a dramatic twist.

Given that he had a kilo and a half of drugs in his bedroom (even by Dutch standards that’s a lot), that he tried all sorts of other scams and that it’s likely that the known victims are just the tip of the iceberg, and that now we know that all the evidence is on his computer and not just from a central router, surely he must be looking at a good few years in prison? If he’s given 5-10 years, he’s served 2 and a half already, he could be out in two or three years with good behaviour, which would mean (I guess) that he would then go to Canada for the Amanda Todd trial. Or would he be escorted over to Canada for a trial when still in custody?

There’s much more to come if the original schedule is anything to go by.

Aydin charges

Addition Friday 27th:

No appearance in court today.  More news here:

https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2017/01/26/van-tyler-boo-moesten-ze-spelen-voor-de-webcam-6419066-a1543184

Translation:

The killer called himself Kelsey Rain or Tyler Boo, Mel Rain, Kody, Mark Cameron or any of the other chat aliases sound even more innocent, like “A Cat Lover” or “Meow Awesome. More than thirty minor teenage assumed that was hidden behind a peer name, and chat back. They were eventually encouraged or even blackmailed to ‘sex shows’ on webcam.

The man who previously according to the Public Prosecutor (OM) is responsible, the 38-year-old Dutchman Aydin C., is three years in custody. Wednesday began in the secured court in Amsterdam-Osdorp includes the merits of the case against him, now 72 offenses. Most of it is about a group of 34 teenagers from the Netherlands, the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada and Norway.

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With them always happened the same broadly. They were by Kelsey, or whatever his name was, urged to “join”, “play”. They pulled on webcam in good faith in their outerwear. They were often vulnerable girls who were not popular at school and find a girlfriend or just to have something older boy thought before him. “I thought, well, everybody does it, and I know that person is not,” one of them said to the police, it appeared at the hearing Thursday.

Later they were then confronted with a nude, a screenshot – which would be distributed among family, friends and acquaintances. Unless they undressed in front of the webcam, groped, brought in objects, time after time.

“Get a grip, I’m 13,” one of the girls responded yet. Since the blackmailer did not care. It had, or would their lives be “hell”. He was the “master”; He addressed them as “sexy little slut.”

Victims – sometimes only 11 years old when the contact began – were not present in court. The vehemence of the facts also led to caution in the courts, which refer to all girls with numbers. For that reason, it was OM another Argus: a video of the Thursday wanted to show the process of the perpetrator had to be adjusted to be less traceable to specific persons.

One of the victims of the accused would be Amanda Todd. The 15-year-old Canadian was so depressed by the blackmail that she committed suicide in October 2012. A few weeks before she became famous with a YouTube video in which she told her story.

But not dealt with the case of Todd is in Amsterdam – which should, at the request of Canada, held later in that country. Her name is or more times, as quoted in a threat: “You know what happened to Amanda Todd?”

Last word

Thus, there appear in the whole business lines intertwined: aliases that pop up in countless records, Facebook accounts that are linked to each other, e-mail and Internet accounts that have been used more frequently. They all seem to lead to Aydin C. They listened impassively two days to the statement of facts. He denies “all allegations” and invoked his right to remain silent. Answers will be implicit in the argument of his lawyer, he promised. He himself will speak only after the ‘last word’ get – at a time in the process when no backwards or research possible.

Two years ago, in early 2015, showed C. hear from him: when he wrote an open letter in which he pleaded his innocence and accused the police and judiciary tunnel vision. That is probably also part of his defense: in police statements he spoke about one Murat and loans to Turkish far-right Grey Wolves group.

C. would not be behind all aliases but are tricked, then that happened extremely refined – or he put himself this extensive network of smoke curtains, with great knowledge of encryption and digital technological shortcuts. On a partially encrypted hard drive, found his detention in a Brabant bungalow were 204,000 images and videos, of which 137 are classified as child pornography. Also found the detective on the disc 5.800 bookmarks with names, a database of victims and the people around them – names that correspond to those of the victims. The process will continue until early March.

Also read: CyberWolf in Oisterwijk , the city where C. was arrested in early 2014.

The blog that never dies

Oh well. It looks like this blog may get a slight new lease of life this month as the trial of Aydin Coban starts on January 25th.

Carol Todd will be there, but she might miss all the action, which is weird. The trial is set for a length of eight days and Carol is going over in the first week of February. She’s raised quite a bit of money on her crowdfunding which I must admit I was surprised by. She must have more fans than I thought. Still, it’s not without at least one criticiser who objects to paying for Carol’s other half. One has to ask where Norm is, though. It’s like he never existed.

As usual, I always doubt Carol Todd’s motives. She’s always ready to hijack every possible moment to make it all about Amanda and I wonder sometimes if the parents of other victims are sick and tired of it as they don’t want their own children to be seen as being in the same league as our dear Cutieelover.

It’s strange that Aydin Coban has already been pre-judged by everyone, even when it is highly unlikely that he has anything to do with Amanda. The trial doesn’t feature her, and it’s a really big stretch to bring him in to the history. So far, Carol has managed to avoid any real questions from the media, but as time goes on there’s much more of a risk that someone may at least raise the BlogTV incidents. I believe that Carol is so blinded by the myth that she thinks that nobody will ever dig a bit deeper. That would explain why she doesn’t seem worried by the extradition, but she should know that a court case won’t be like an interview with the Vancouver Sun – it will look into every detail and rake up a huge amount of stuff that may not look good.

If Aydin is released (which is a possibility) extradition might be tough. I’m not sure that the Dutch officials will find someone innocent or deem that they have been in prison long enough already then just hand him over to what is essentially a lynch mob. But I have a feeling that if he’s not released and is found guilty of various crimes then the RCMP and others may say that’s enough. It would be hugely convenient to accept a guilty verdict in Holland, and then just close the case with an assumption that he was involved with Amanda. I’m also guessing that the Canadians would accept that. They would dismiss the Dutch as being too lenient, say it’s all a terrible miscarriage of justice, rave and rage for a few weeks and then move on. Seriously, it would be better to go that way than to bring out all the details in a Canadian court.

I might restructure this blog. To be honest, I’m a bit too lazy to bother but I expect that viewing figures will rise at the end of the month. For me, it depends on whether or not the trial gets much publicity.

So we’ll see. This could be the biggest anticlimax ever. In a way I sort of hope that Aydin will confess to being the killer predator villain that everyone wants him to be. At least that would be an end to it. Yet something tells me this won’t happen, and the story will drag on and on and on………

 

And so it moves forward…..

I was going to do a long post about John Shuttleworth, one of the UK’s greatest thinkers, lyricists, and a majestic organ player. However, there are…..wait for it…..DEVELOPMENTS!

https://www.youcaring.com/caroltodd-732452

The great Carol Todd is crowdfunding a visit to the Netherlands so she can attend Aydin Coban’s court hearing. Will she reach her target? Will she ever get there? Will she pop in to visit me on the way? Will she be going with Norm?

It looks as if Aydin is due up in front of the beak on January 25th. God only knows what will happen. I could hazard a few guesses – he will be released because he’s already done time, there will be problems about the evidence, it will be just another appearance pending more investigation. Who knows? I’m not sure why Carol Todd finds it necessary to attend, as the court case doesn’t actually involve Amanda’s story any more, and as of today the Canadian Press has shown no interest in her possible trip.

So….only another couple of weeks before we hear yet more iterations of the neverending story that is Amanda Todd.

Can I milk it for any more palaver? I expect not. My hunch is that it will all be a big let-down, with no surprises and just more nonsense trying to pin every Internet crime on this one guy. I’m hoping that he will just be found guilty of something, then set free due to good behaviour and the fact he’s already done a couple of years in clink. That will then kick off the extradition (if there is ever going to be one – seriously, don’t hold your breath). If Aydin does ever make it to court in Canada, then the case will be a doozy, but I suspect that the RCMP idiots will fudge it all by saying that he has already been punished, he’s guilty of everything, and there’s no point in taking it any further. I’m really hoping thay don’t do that, as the entertainment value of the court case is worthy of a ton of popcorn. Can you imagine all the heroes and villains being dragged up to give evidence?

Anyways. As usual, I’ll be bringing any news to this blog as soon as it happens. Maybe I should try crowdfunding my own visit?

Laters.

Addition: It’s interesting (or not, depending on your view) that the crowdfunding initiative started by Carol Todd is – yet again – based on a certain amount of economy with the truth combined with gullibility of the donors. Most of the donors think that a) the court case actually involves Amanda and that b) Carol Todd will have some contribution to make. Last time I looked, the donations have slowed down with just a handful of virtue signallers having donated. Basically, they are funding yet another holiday and publicity stunt, though it’s failed miserably to gain much attention in Canada.

http://www.tricitynews.com/news/carol-todd-close-to-goal-for-european-trial-1.6929540

OmroepBrabant – a dumbass Dutch news outlet – along with a couple of others have tried to sensationalise it all with the usual hackneyed ‘she was tricked’ malarkey.

For me, an oddity is that according to the news girls from the UK and many other places were involved. However, all this has failed to register outside of Holland and Canada.

Originally I thought this was just another quick appearance in court, but it looks like it’s scheduled to fill at least eight days.

I’ll bring you more news as and when it happened, but at the moment everyone seems to be thinking about water sports for some reason.

 

Amanda Todd bullied to death by boyfriend’s parents!

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Just as you think that the Amanda Todd bizarreness can’t get any more bizarre, it goes to Bizarre Max.

What’s the latest gem in this ongoing saga?

‘After that, Amanda was bullied no matter what school she attended. It was too much when even her boyfriend and his parents went on the attack’.

Where the Hell did that come from? It has to be Carol Todd releasing a snippet of information like that. She desperately wants all the people involved to suffer, but she can’t actually just come out with it and give the list of names. So instead we get a hint – boyfriend and his parents. I can’t see where else this would have come from, and it is really strange that it’s cropped up so late in the story, and on the Entertainments page of a newspaper. Normally, it would have gone completely unnoticed, but not by me, of course.

So who’s the boyfriend? My money is on two names in the frame – Renan Tarras or Brandon Reid. But which one?

Renan Tarras is a twerp. We have a rather odd rumour that he was involved in an accusation of rape from Amanda, but surely we can write that off as being totally untrue? Mind you, nothing can ever be written off as untrue in this old malarkey. It’s possible. If Amanda did accuse Renan of rape, I guess the parents would have gone berserk, especially with all the other palaver going on.

Brandon Reid? Hmmm…..that, too, is possible. His name fell out of the story ages ago, and I took it out of some of the blog entries just so it would be forgotten as irrelevant. But now, surely, it’s fair game to bring the Reid family back in as unwitting guest stars?

Before long, there won’t be a person in Creation who hasn’t been blamed in some way (except Carol, of course). Blimey, we had every young kid in British Columbia blamed for it, then we had every capper in the world blamed, we had the cops, the school, the mental health authorities, me …… and now the mystery boyfriend’s parents.

The quote comes from the Toronto Star:

http://www.pressreader.com/canada/toronto-star/20160515/281956017007511

And just in case it gets censored by the Todd Stasi:

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As usual – I bring you the news that is news.

Edit: One day later, a different version online: https://www.thestar.com/entertainment/music/2016/05/16/amanda-todds-life-reflected-by-national-arts-centre-orchestra.html